Curse

ChaoticCoyote · May 31, 2006, 09:52 PM // 21:52

I finally found a Mesmer build I enjoy -- an Me/Rt mage stomper with spirit support. She can solo some tough areas on the starting island, went through several quests, and is now in Zen Daijun.

And I can't go any farther.

I've won the mission before, so I know what needs to be done. I have no problem henching it until the two final end bosses, where the henchies commit suicide in the most amazing ways.

So I go looking for a group, and no one wants me. Not because of my level, but because I'm a Mesmer. Yes, I've been told, more than once -- "Mesmers Suck" or "You need a better secondary class."

I'm getting *very* tired of the poor attitudes I'm finding on this game, especially the "attitude" I get from W/Mos.

I have a great ressurect spell; I can heal; I can spike; I can interrupt. I list these qualifications looking for a group -- heck, I even offered to PAY a group to take me, but no interest. None.

Is this the story of all Mesmers?

Themis · May 31, 2006, 10:22 PM // 22:22

Fortunately, no !!!

Probably you're VERY unlucky or your time window is a poor one (too many inexperienced players around you when you play ?)

Anyway, i would suggest you not to insist, neither beg, still less pay. There is a risk that many players interpret such an attitude as a sign of inexperience. Try to stay self-confident, simply. Make an announcement that would look like "Domination Mesmer lfg". Nothing more, not too many details, appear competent.

ChaoticCoyote · May 31, 2006, 10:29 PM // 22:29

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Originally Posted by Themis

Fortunately, no !!!

Probably you're VERY unlucky or your time window is a poor one (too many inexperienced players around you when you play ?)

Anyway, i would suggest you not to insist, neither beg, still less pay. There is a risk that many players interpret such an attitude as a sign of inexperience. Try to stay self-confident, simply. Make an announcement that would look like "Domination Mesmer lfg". Nothing more, not too many details, appear competent.

I've played an awful lot of this game, and have *never* had a hard time finding a group until I went with a Mesmer. I use the following line when hunting for a group...

"Me/Rt Interrupter/Dominator LFG"

That's it, no begging. And not even a nibble. One group looked me over, then said "yeah, but mesmers suck".

My goal is simple: I want off the blasted Island so I can do some fun PvE in Tyria.

Themis · May 31, 2006, 10:46 PM // 22:46

I've had my Mesmer for a year, now, and rarely had to face such a situation. But i often do missions teaming with my guildmates : it's so much more fun !

How about trying it with guildies ?

fatboyslimerr · May 31, 2006, 11:09 PM // 23:09

God this game has the same problems as real life. When a mending warrior tells you (mesmer) that you suck, you know that there is no more logic or sense in the world lol. As a mesmer, try to play mind games with such individuals, confuse them beyond all reason so they send you their parents credit cards in the mail. lol nah seriously just use big words like 'Nuke' or 'Spike' or 'Super' or Ownzzzzz (not sure on the spelling) to impress their primitive brains. If your still struggling, find a friendly guild of experienced players who'll help you PvE and who are clever enough to realise the importance of mesmers.

I'm making these generalisations as there seems to be far too much class discrimination in this game, assassins in HA, mesmers in PvE etc etc. I hear rangers are having trouble sometimes too. I'm probably ranting on but I realised this situation awhile ago which is why I have a PvE warrior to PvE with and my wonderful PvP mesmer who only shows his face to worthy folk.
Warrior = Pve
Mesmer = PvP
If there wasn't the mesmer class in this game, it wouldn't be half as fun.

In the short term, join a guild or find more experienced players

Francis Demeules · Jun 01, 2006, 12:04 AM // 00:04

Anyway those who say "That Profession sucks" are generally jerks. I know the feeling against the two boss at Zen Daijun (Ritualist and Ranger). I suggest kill the Ritualist quickly because she can insanly kill the team party in few seconds. The Ranger boss will try to kill one char but the Ritualist Boss does area spike dmg.

I know you can do it... just dont give up.

ChaoticCoyote · Jun 01, 2006, 01:12 AM // 01:12

I lacked patience.

First, I brought in my daughter to play her very experienced Mo/Me 20. Then we found a group of inexperienced players who wanted help on the mission.

They died a lot, screwed up, and learned. So we got to teach some new players the ropes, I got my mission, and my Mesmer is now in Tyria.

Patience is a virtue.

Avarre · Jun 01, 2006, 01:42 AM // 01:42

Generally later on people begin to see the use of Lyssan classes, although they are still the least preferred in PvE. I advise not using 'interrupter' too much in advertising because from what I've seen, most players consider rangers to be interrupters. I blame the [Interrupt Henchman] for that assumption.

Hella Good · Jun 01, 2006, 01:46 AM // 01:46

Well, there is a Domination hench, which granted doesn't interrupt as well (basically because of poor choice of skills) but is nevertheless a nice team member on the Kurzick side. I think if I ever get the time to move my Mesmer through PvE, I'll just run a FC Ele- this way I can get in groups faster and I can cap all the Ele elites.

Avarre · Jun 01, 2006, 01:54 AM // 01:54

Domination hench doesn't interrupt well? He's 100x as good as the ranger, the only difference is he actually hits skills that are less than 1s rather than just camping mobs with choking gas and waiting. Cry-Leech-Powerleech henchie ftw!

Fc Ele = not good once you reach areas with levels... up to desert in Tyria, on Shing Jea in Cantha. A good group (I hope) wouldn't accept a FC nuker because 20 damage fireballs do not an effective team member make.

Theos · Jun 01, 2006, 02:01 AM // 02:01

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Domination hench doesn't interrupt well? He's 100x as good as the ranger, the only difference is he actually hits skills that are less than 1s rather than just camping mobs with choking gas and waiting. Cry-Leech-Powerleech henchie ftw!

Fc Ele = not good once you reach areas with levels... up to desert in Tyria, on Shing Jea in Cantha. A good group (I hope) wouldn't accept a FC nuker because 20 damage fireballs do not an effective team member make.

Though then again a 80 damage, repeated, AEcho + Glyph of Sac of Starburst isn't bad to see occur... I personally love running up to a mob and bursting them, not efficient but fun as hell. Though then I find myself utterly energy spent :P

Avarre · Jun 01, 2006, 02:36 AM // 02:36

And also, you find you self at melee range with an oh-so-delightful assortment of mobs

Eaimirth Etaivella · Jun 01, 2006, 03:17 AM // 03:17

Wait...Hella is trying to argue the usefulness of a fc ele without using one; well then I see no point in argueing further!

I stand by that elementalists need one of two things that have been thought of to make them semi-viable...damage wise that is.
1. Practically double the damage of all their spells. (I'm not kidding)
2. Give them a "divine boon" type skill for elemental damage. Might want to tweak it so it does not work on projectile attacks but buff projectile attacks so that they are still usable (yea we don't want 100x2 stone shards lol...although they do need it in pve we don't want that in pvp)

I personally like the divine boon idea; as it shows how much different healing and damage dealing are. People are fine with a healer having a broken skill but when it comes to the other classes they are not ok with it. People fear change, and most of all they fear high damage output classes. Of course if they got this buff mesmers would be highly popular as a indirect result to deal with them but neh =/ I don't see mesmers ever being "highly popular" just as I don't see elementalists ever being "good" in pve.

Ironic isn't it? Everyone springs for the ele and leaves the mesmer sitting on the bench. Even for fow groups...my highest pride is being able to deal 444 damage to the enamies before the ele's meteors even touch the ground. Yea that ele is doing a ton of damage yep doing such a good job. SS finishes off the mobs the mobs die before the meteors hit and what happens? Great Job ELE fastest kills I have ever seen! You are da man great job on kills didn't have to heal warrior near at all; the enamies didn't even land a hex on him!

...I feel so loved.

Theos · Jun 01, 2006, 05:13 AM // 05:13

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Originally Posted by Avarre

And also, you find you self at melee range with an oh-so-delightful assortment of mobs

Pash that doesn't scare me and Distortion spam!!!!SHIFT1!! Though AEcho + GoS with Unsteady Ground (I think thats its name, the ele elite) can be funny to watch... they get up fall back down, they get up fall back down, they get up fall back down... and you're not surrounded by mobs! Unless they can teleport O-o

Avarre · Jun 01, 2006, 05:48 AM // 05:48

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Originally Posted by Eaimirth Etaivella

People fear change, and most of all they fear high damage output classes

No, we fear silly changes.

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Originally Posted by Theos

Pash that doesn't scare me and Distortion spam!!!!SHIFT1!! Though AEcho + GoS with Unsteady Ground (I think thats its name, the ele elite) can be funny to watch... they get up fall back down, they get up fall back down, they get up fall back down... and you're not surrounded by mobs! Unless they can teleport O-o

Omg it is Dunham! Nuu~!

There are some areas where fc nuking has advantages... as you said, with knockdowns isn't bad. Dual meteor showers (with glyph of energy) can keep mobs down and scattering badly, 40~ damage per hit or not.

Eaimirth Etaivella · Jun 01, 2006, 06:48 AM // 06:48

Still wondering why the elementalist sucks so bad in terms of damage haha =p
Having Anet back up what their book supports would not be a silly change; having people back up what they say would be nice for a change imo. Anet made elementalists the "main damage dealers" not me =p

So if a "silly change" would be to make them this guess I'm lost with the times.

prodigy ming · Jun 01, 2006, 06:54 AM // 06:54

It terms or people disliking a certain class, assassin probably has it worst. Most groups will take a mesmer over sin anyday simply because there are too many sin and they die qutie fast if not use properly. Mesmer at least are caster and can stay in the back line, so the monk wouldn't be complaining.
Personally i think mesmer are great... both my assassin and warrior use mesmer as secondary. ( i just don't like how mesmer primary look so i didn't choose it)

Theos · Jun 01, 2006, 11:34 AM // 11:34

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Originally Posted by Avarre

No, we fear silly changes.

Omg it is Dunham! Nuu~!

There are some areas where fc nuking has advantages... as you said, with knockdowns isn't bad. Dual meteor showers (with glyph of energy) can keep mobs down and scattering badly, 40~ damage per hit or not.

Dunham is a tanking god!

Actually I have run around with Unsteady Ground a few times, its alot better than MS, sadly... its elite and restricts energy management severly. It also seems to cause little scattering... well actually the mods do scatter somewhat but find themselves replanted on the ground quickly.

makosi · Jun 01, 2006, 11:49 AM // 11:49

I partially blame the Sorrows Furnace farming build for attitude against mesmers. It used to be that you'd have a [mending] tank, nuker, MM, bonder and healer... and rangers and mesmers didn't come in to the equation. Its easy to assume that because the above classes could clear SF that the other two are obsolete in PvE. However since the 'book/cog/gear-trick' was fixed somebody needs to interrupt, shatter hexes, slow enemies down and prevent them from casting. Let's see your average wammo do that.

frickaline · Jun 01, 2006, 01:39 PM // 13:39

If the dom mes lfg line isnt working, and you find that the main obsticle is wammos, try flipping to illusion. I'm sure that the wammos have a harder time claiming that they dont die to illusion than to domination. Clumsiness and Images of Remorse are lovely wammo killers at that low level area.

While I am only luke warm on dom myself (mostly due to the slow cast times and relatively few options for taking on melee and rangers), I personally would take an illusion mes over a nuker any day.